The acolytes already that Vader might succeed in killing them. Of course he's interested. So Vader is sub Mustafar Anakin in raw power and potential, which I think is pretty well-known. There are much quotes attesting this. Maul tagged Vader several times, with Vader only cutting in two Maul’s saberstaff, a weakness already exploited by lesser foes as TPM Kenobi. And so is Galen, to your lament. He remembered: “How long this time?” “Thirteen days. Maul proved himself to be fairly better than Vader in that fight. SK has more destructive capabilities than Dooku but less mastery, and given his performance against TFU/TFU 2 Vader I'd say he can hold his own in sabers. This is Starkiller at the end of the game when (presumably) he's at his strongest. Starkiller > Legends Vader > Legends Maul. Once Juno has been rescued, your facility will be destroyed. Obviously Vader is capable of doing far more than simply clicking the triggers on some guns if he wanted to give a "demonstration." There is no reason that it needs to be referring to Vader in the present tense ( as the main point of the quote is to point out that Vader's loss of power in RotS prevents him from surpassing the Emperor which is why he is currently subserviently to him in ESB ) and since that interpretation actively contradicts other canonical sources that confirm he is at the "height of his powers" in ESB, there are active reasons for us not to hold that view. Der Zabrak vom Planeten Dathomir hatte den Auftrag, den Erfolg der Blockade von Naboo zu sichern. Before anyone says "Starkiller beat Darth Maul" remember he only beat PROXY-as-Maul which means he had no Force powers. There is no evidence that the Maul doppelganger possesses the capabilities of the actual Maul but even if that were stated outright by George Lucas himself, it would be irrelevant since the comic itself is non canon. Vader blocked one blade and used telekinesis to throw the other off target. Another few seconds. I would think that was obvious since my own statement which you quoted in your response was: "I was talking about the acolytes implication of Vader's superiority to them and the doppleganger as a Force user.". “It may or may not possess the original Maul's skills.”. I was talking about the acolytes implication of Vader's superiority to them and the doppleganger as a Force user. KMC Forums > Star Wars > Star Wars: Literature & Expanded Universe > Star Wars Versus Forum > Starkiller vs Maul. I don't care what garbage you care to argue. My most deadly creation.”, Starkiller: “You lie! The troopers rushed him from all sides. Lord Maul should have told me about his battle with the Togorian pirates. “ He never met Maul within Legends continuity post-suit. Starkiller got stalemated by TFU II Vader, a weaker version of one who lost to TPM Maul. An in universe opinion from Force user's who are aware of their own power and that of the Maul dopplegangers and are able to directly sense Vader's. Maul landed some kicks and shallow blows on Vader but nothing debilitating. Why would he? Irrilevant. Lol. Upon reaching the top of the tower, SK is either a complete moron or doesn't believe himself to be drastically weakened by this point, as he immediately goes to engage Vader despite Vader doing absolutely nothing to oppose him: Vader made no move to defend himself when Starkiller reached the very top of the cloning tower. Edit: I know this post is probably redundant as you're likely already typing up a response but I thought I'd try to save the both of us some time anyways. Yes, it is irrilevant. His motives at this point are purely evil. It's my interpretation that you can read more about in my Resurrection blog. That's about all your worth to me at this point. The author is only clarifying that the prophets meant Vader could use the force instead that sabers. No more voices assailed him, and no doubts, either. If Vader's blow had landed anywhere else, Maul wouldn't have had a saber to use. I don't see how one could think the amount of time Vader gave Starkiller between defeating his clones and attacking him would have been enough for him to recover his energies, especially since Vader was specifically trying to weaken Starkiller beforehand. He would have used the Force on Maul, at least to get some pause, if he could. He never met Maul within Legends continuity post-suit. He outright states he's striking to prove his master wrong, not to defend or get to Juno. Sparks flew. SK then jumps from platform to platform up one of these: Giving him then another minute or so at least to continue conserving and regaining his strength. In any case, in sabers Vader proved himself to be below Maul. You're twisting my words. Anakin would have been able to do it if he hadn’t been debilitated and now he’s half machine and half man, so he’s lost a lot of the power of the Force, and he’s lost a lot of his ability to be more powerful then the Emperor. That said, why do you think it's being generous? He would have used the Force on Maul, at least to get some pause, if he could. @killbilly: Hm, interesting. That’s it. Währendessen verletzte der Imperator Kota mit Machtblitzten, und vorderte Galen auf, Kota zu töten. It won't change a thing and it makes discrediting all of your other bad takes that much easier. Who will win in a fight between Starkiller (clone) and Darth Maul? Indeed. SK blankly stares up at his master. I certainly didn't anyways. Dooku, a Force user aware of his own power and able to directly sense Yoda, believed to be better than him. It was a fluke, if it hadn't occurred, Vader would have been the victor. As a final part of his trial, Galen is confronted by a mysterious Sith Warrior clad in a sinister armor. The Jedi has an advantage. And what did the Rebellion matter now, anyway? If Vader's blow had landed anywhere else, Maul wouldn't have had a saber to use. I'm sorry, but that argument has just never made sense to me. However, Galen (and SK) have repeatedly shown that they are able to recover their reserves pretty damn quickly when they need to: Nothing you posted showed Starkiller "recovering" his energies. He didn’t remember the early days of his apprenticeship, when the memories of his parents had been strong and the young boy he had once been resisted Vader’s absolute authority, but he was sure the battle had been even then, psychological. So pre-suit Anakin >>>> Vader no matter how you slice it. Quite the opposite. In a sense, they were still playing out the first time they had faced each other in combat. Finally, Starkiller saw an opportunity. Something which makes sense given the author confirmed that the acolytes and the Maul doppelganger had "prepared" for Vader's arrival. His Master. Twin red blades flashed as he met their advance, spinning and slashing with an easy grace that belied the strength behind it. 5. He knew what was required. Superhero battle match: Lord Starkiller versus Darth Maul. A normal human would be at Maul's mercy. “ Lol. The author of the comic states that this was the intent as well: @breakofdawn: Because Richard is liable to open up a new debate, I'm unlikely to respond to any points such as: "I find this reasonable based on _____." The resulting individual had gold eyes and his skin was silver with black tattoos. No one ever told me to do anything. @killbilly: Nowhere in the panel is force use mentioned. I don't want to downplay either. Lucas was referring to ESB Vader explicitly. He imagined that he knew what the blade would feel like when it struck him down." A burst of lightning arced from Starkiller’s fingers. He only confirmed that “destroying them all” meant that the prophets suggested Vader could ATTEMPT to use the force to avoid a duel. Excuse me? He met a doppelganger of Maul, the creators of said doppelganger admitting that it was very possible that he was capable of destroying both themselves and the doppelganger with the Force, making efforts to convince Vader NOT to beforehand, even going so far as to stop the doppelganger from engaging Vader before they'd acquired Vader's agreement. Because Resurrection is there and TPM Maul > Vader in dueling in Legends is a fact, even if your precious Galen doesn’t like it. You cannot obviously allow Vader to be sub-TPM Maul, even if it is true. From the very start of TFUII Starkiller is kept in isolation with no food or water for weeks on end and then we see him fighting pretty much nonstop until it reaches the point where he's shaking with exhaustion. He had brushed his skin against it many times, defying the pain, taking numerous small wounds while dueling with his Master. How is it, "exactly the opposite" when we have explicit confirmation both from the author and in the source itself. Which makes sense considering a much more exhausted Starkiller was still capable of defeating a cautious Vader: He knew the measure of his former apprentice now. @killbilly:"He maintained a defensive pose, breathing rhythmically and deeply, regaining his strength. And when Vader forced Starkiller onto his back foot and raised his lightsaber to strike him down, Starkiller fired a lightning blast into the side of Vader's armor that was so concentrated, even the new insulation couldn't absorb it. You with it, if there’s any justice.”, “There is no justice,” said Darth Vader, watching him ascend. Your arbitrary interpretation is totally disingenuous and confirmed by nothing. Lucas simply states that Vader has lost power and potential and that that is the reason he is subservient to the Emperor. :). Nothing assures Vader could kill Maul with the Force, indeed it is confirmed he cannot because he didn’t use the force when he was in absolute danger, nor he used it to show Maul “what the Dark Side could do”. We then have to factor in SK jumping from platform to platform, during which he's conserving and continuing to regain his strength. ”. You can’t have. He doesn’t say Vader could surely do that, and in any case it is only the Prophet’s OPINION. Starkiller got stalemated by TFU II Vader, a weaker version of one who lost to TPM Maul. The comment was likely just a ploy to get Maul to focus on something else while he activated the dead troopers blasters. But no, he doesn't. Who knows, it could have been a vision like Luke confronting Vader on Dagobah or just some sort of Sith illusion. Lucas also said that suit Vader was far weaker than Anakin (which is not that bad considering Anakin is Sidious tier). The tips of his lightsabers shook. @killbilly: Appreciate the tag. “ That's why I pointed out the extreme lengths they went to acquire Vader's agreement before allowing the fight to take place. Very different situations but I guess expecting you to acknowledge context was asking too much, lol. Again, you fail to provide any actual context for the garbage that you're spewing. “ The comic was made in order to make money from nerds who wanted to see the cool Sith Lord from TPM fight Darth Vader.”. Only point out why the lie somebody is arguing is false which is easy to do since it's self apparent. @darthadi: Yeah see the problem with that quote there is....it's completely contradicted given you have Vader fighting PT era Jedi and molly whopping them around within the EU. I wouldn't say so personally, they were fighting evenly for the most part until a moment in the fight which should have spelled Vader's victory actually allowed the Maul doppelganger to drastically change up his style and catch Vader off guard. Nothing's been determined as to what we are actually seeing, just that Vader and Maul have a pretty cool battle." @darthadi: Lucas and...what exactly? He simply says "the Force gives me all I need" before proceeding to accomplish a feat most random Force users would be capable of. Note: Maul sustained more wounds in his fight against Kenobi and Qui Gon prior to fighting Obi Wan alone: "Beyond, the Sith Lord worked at binding up his wounds, a series of burns and slashes marked by charred tears in his dark clothing." He knew the measure of his former apprentice now. How maul was caught off guard? I'm going to need evidence that he wasn't simply conserving his energy. I don't care what garbage you care to argue. Only fans familiar with the Star Wars: The Force Unleashed … the comic’s events never happened in the “official continuity” (of Legends), but he didn’t retconn his usability in debates. You need to be logged in to post comments.. Obviously Vader is capable of doing far more than simply clicking the triggers on some guns if he wanted to give a "demonstration." © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Expect a response whenever I get about a half an hour on the shitter. Lol, it’s exactly the opposite. Voting feed. Forever at war with one’s own Master? We use supplementary material that come solely from the novelizations all the time. He then has about a minute to continue "regaining his strength": They were all dead. Also, you have yet to prove that the blows the Maul doppelganger landed on Vader would have been debilitating if not for the armor. 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