In the Star Wars Universe, only a few characters as skilled in battle as Darth Maul.In canon, only a few characters such as Darth Sidious, Ashoka Tano, and particularly his original “killer,” Obi-Wan Kenobi, have even managed to defeat the Son of Dathomir in single combat.. By turning to such diversionary tactics, Vosa had all but admitted that she was no match for the erratic staccato blows that he was delivering, seemingly from everywhere, all at once. Think. @darkdefender: That was his aura that did that, the same one that was eating his very body. What this means is if you are watching the holorecording, you would have to play it in slow motion in order to see Maul! To show it to whom? Darth Nihilus vs Darth Sion Nitros14. Because that isn't a speed Maul has even demonstrated. [FP]=180 Qui Gon Jinn (too weak)21. 1384. Apparently not. 1600x1200 Darth Nihilus Vs Darth Sion Images & Pictures - Becuo. I think I succeeded in providing you the speed in question. which is why I said I side with Nihilus for having to preform less physical actions, but in truth, this fight is, more or less, a coin flip. @i_like_swords: You know what? He just needs to lift his arm. Als einer von wenigen überlebte er schwer verletzt die Kriege und widmete sich daraufhin dem Studium der Dunklen Seite. Revan was an extremely powerful Sith Lord and Jedi Knight. Teneb isn't > Maul. I think it is a real shame they cut it out, but there is no reason, what so ever, it cannot be used as evidence. This was the argument I was utilizing for Nihilus, but you obviously didn't agree, despite the fact that Nihilus is vastly, vastly more powerful. I wasn't discrediting yours. Was Kreia the only person to ever train Meetra or Sion, and did she provide the exact same type of training, i.e, lightsaber skill? Download. Also you can use it if you want I just won't acknowledge it. There is no consistency or middle ground to be found. [FP]=150 Ki-Adi-Mundi (too weak)23. Movie. --Taken from the Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide. Now, if we look at TCWs, he was obviously, not moving hundreds of miles per hour. They made the scene, they voiced it, they only didn't put it in because of time restraints. This is also TCW Maul, not TPM Maul, so going by your logic, what feats does TCW Maul have to show he can blitz Nihilus? When he was satisfied that he had committed the results of his reconnaissance to memory, he shrugged out of his cloak and leapt straight up over the fence, landing precisely where some of the rocks he had tossed rested. [FP]=147 Shaak-Ti25. [FP]=360 Darth Bane13. If not, he gets drained. All slow motion does is slow down the display (which again, was REAL TIME) so that people looking at it can examine it. When someone says a character takes feats from all media, we take all media. Should we declare that Vergere and Maul were rough equals in lightsaber combat, since they were both taught by Sidious? You are trying to say you need to put the holorecorder on 'slow motion' in order to see super fast beings that makes zero sense!, and not that it captures them and the people watching it need to see the Holorecorder play it back to them in a slower motion so their eyes could follow him on the screen. That's what this quote said too: So, by saying Maul moves "this fast", the "this" being: I am failing to "provide the speed in question"? Shadow Conspiracy, Sith Hunters, Death Sentence, The Wrath of Darth Maul ect, are all Legends Canon, and all feature Maul after he was bisected. Worse for Plagueis, Tenebrous had made Venamis an expert in Plagueis’s style, and so the Bith could not only anticipate but counter Plagueis’s every move. The quote made no mention of the human eye or anyone viewing the recording. This more than justifies Plagueis being in Maul's tier. Wiki Points . Venamis had more devotion to learning, but Plagueis was obviously more naturally adroit due to his greater strength in the Force. Sion is rather pathetic compared to Traya and Nihilus.). The holorecorder captured the fast moving being. It never said Vosa saw the blades everywhere, only that the author saw them seemingly from everywhere, and that Vosa was clearly tantamount to admitting defeat. Idt maul can close the distance in time. The holorecorder captured his image. The droid raced past him and smashed hard against the cell wall. If not, he gets drained. Not quite desperation, but he did have to roll out of the way because of the pressure Jango was putting on him. The only explanation to this is - it's fiction, go with it. Look it at and think about it. Maul, on the other hand, does and trying to ignore them because you do not like or agree with those feats does not make them disappear. Show him to WHO! Deshalb war er auch als Lord des Hungersbekannt. There's no blitzing sorry Maul fans. I feel it is Nihilus. What you're saying is that, if someone was watching a holorecording of Maul at normal speed, they couldn't see him. [FP]=500 Marka Ragnos 7. He appeared everywhere at once to the author, because the novel is written in third-person. [FP]=400 Darth Malgus11. That form of logic has no substance. Droids, even ones not designed for combat, are capable of processing and deflecting/dodging blaster bolts, and have processing speeds which to humans may as well be like instantaneous reactions. Nihilius has no body, so Maul can't beat him or be defeated in a physical contest. While the book is written from Maul's viewpoint in third person, I believe it moves over to Vosa's perspective here: Pivoting easily, he swung out at her, the dark side streaming so powerfully from him now that it seemed to be pouring forth in great fan-shaped swaths in the air around him. [FP]=340 Desann15. It's not all due to power levels though. Star Wars™ Thrawn: Roman (Die Thrawn-Trilogie (Kanon), Band 1) von Timothy Zahn und Andreas Kasprzak | 19. I said it was either third-person-limited or third-person-detatched, and it was not through Vosa's eyes. Again, re-read the quote. Darth Maul: Lockdown. [FP]=540 Darth Vader (Anakin on the Dark Side) 6. Darth Nihilus (the challenger)19. Superhero battle match: Darth Nihilus versus Darth Maul (TCW). Darth Traya: A Star Wars Story - Duration: 4:22. No, it doesn't. I believe Lockdown was written in the Multiple Viewpoints style in third person, not omniscient writer. They did not even touch her before Nihilus drained and pushed her against the wall. I'm pretty sure Meetra and Sion both received training from Kreia, and both are not in the same skill tier. The assassin vs the butcher, speed versus strength. But he doesn't. Revan vs Darth Maul 68 results; 1; 2; Akira Overdrive. If Jango forced Obi-Wan to roll in another source feel free to cite it, but I'll bow out on this point for now. No, it doesn't. For characters with multiple showings, you take all their showings. Ten bucks says if cut-content showed Maul dominating Ki-Adi, you would be using it in this debate. Re: Exar Kun vs Darth Maul (TCW Season 7) on January 1st 2021, 10:55 am @Vaelias wrote:So are we all forgetting Maul has saber … So, what I want to see is Nihilus actively increasing his Force speed to such levels that he can react to Maul. The fact it could show him if they played the holorecording in slow motion means it saw him! Who would the holorecording show him to? When did I say physical speed is the only speed there is? 23,99 € 23,99 € 6,50 € Versand. What the human eye can see while viewing a video is different from what the video camera can capture. Anyway, in light of the new feat I can agree that Meetra is faster than Vosa, providing this talk of nexuses and amps holds up, because while I trust you I haven't seen any of it myself. @darkdefender: Nope, Sion just stood there as Nihilus drained and pushed Traya against the wall. Fictional Character . Download. She fought and killed two amped Imperial Guards at once. Especially considering that Revan Meetra <<< KotOR II Exile, who has other showings such as Battle Precognition, etc. No, it doesn't. Second underline is confirmation that Plagueis wasn't expecting whatever fighting style Venamis brought to the table, initially anyway. Just because Tenebrous taught them in the same way means nothing. are all other factors that make up one's skill. [FP]=149 Tavion24. Maul is moving so fast that someone who were simply looking at the recording would not see him unless it put it in slow motion! The holorecording displays him just fine, he just moves faster then we can see, so the holorecorder slows it down so we can see him which means he was moving faster then the human eye could see, not faster then a holorecorder. When Nihilus tries feeding on the Jedi, his hunger is mysteriously repelled, as if confronted by his exact polar opposite. @shootingnova: I think it's about time we wrapped this debate up, so this may end up being one of my last posts. That isn't happening for Maul. 4,8 von 5 Sternen 307. I'm saying that he moved so fast that the recording captured him, but would only be able to display him when put into slow motion. [FP]=300 Count Dooku17. Darth Maul was the first target.. next is Obi Wan. They're essentially super computers. Passive Force speed is, but active augmentation of Force speed is partly due to the own users capability in augmentation. I am aware of EU feats. If you had brought up them sparring, then I probably would agree. Psychically starved by the effort, the Dark Lord falls to the Jedi, and Nihilus the man dissolves into oblivion. If you are trying to use a fictional speed feat, you need to provide the speed in question. Save for the fact the OP says comics and movies and this is specified as TCW Maul? Therefore, Plagueis has to be within Sidious' ballpark of skill in order to teach him to that very skill, and I think a tier 8 is a fair placement. Here's how it goes: force push force drain nihilus ftw 8/10. Re: Darth Nihilus vs Darth Tenebrous. on December 23rd 2020, 10:19 am. You mean you haven't seen a source for light-siders getting weakened? Even better than Darth Vader. Vitiate being good at augmenting his speed through the Force isn't transferable to Nihilus IMO. It displays it in REAL TIME! We can see into Maul's mind and his thoughts, and it's just a third-person author seeing the lightsabers everywhere. Suspect Hero | Level Four. By turning to such diversionary tactics, Vosa had all but admitted that she was no match for the erratic staccato blows that he was delivering, seemingly from everywhere, all at once. There was no indication I could find in the video that he was weakened. Book. I don't remember him writing from the omniscient author's view. [FP]=250 Obi-Wan^18.[FP]=@3xx.? Lange bevor Nihilus ein Sith wurde, kämpfte er in den Mandalorianischen Kriegen aufseiten der Mandalorianer und überlebte diesen Konflikt schwer verletzt und widmete sich daraufhin dem Studium der Dunklen Seite der Macht. Pivoting easily, he swung out at her, the dark side streaming so powerfully from him now that it seemed to be pouring forth in great fan-shaped swaths in the air around him. Maul was jumping over walls, gathering intelligence on several locations, so quickly that he was imperceptible to a recording. Taschenbuch 14,00 € 14,00 € Lieferung bis Dienstag, 12. However, it's false that they were fighting dopplegangers of themselves. So Maul's knowledge and practical application of Force Speed augmentation should still be there, unless he suffered memory loss, which he didn't. LadyKulvax. This is not so. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. He did not want to kill Sion, merely to teach him a lesson. He gets ragdolled with low effort. It was powerful enough to engulf the whole planet in lightning storms, and it was powerful enough to attract the Sith fleeing from the Great Hyperspace War. Me and dccomicsrule2011 / deronn_solo had a debate about this months back, and he brought up the point that Force Users should be causing sonic booms when they fight and move at such speeds - but they don't, even though their speed feats are blatantly hypersonic. Nonprofit Organization. Meetra fighting them off while they're amped would allow her to be faster than Vosa. Revan. Sion has never demonstrated the ability to Drain. Otherwise, you're arguing that Nihilus can actively perform a technique due to power, not skill with the technique itself. In TCW, Force Users' superhuman speed is recognized, but they don't move so fast that regular beings can't keep up. Tenebrous > Maul > Nihilus . Nihilus jagte und tötete Jedi, da er in einem Sith-Monument auf Malachor V die dunkle Seite in sich aufsog, die ihn so verdorben hatte, dass er stets Jedi töten musste, um deren Macht auszusaugen. I've lost why this point was even brought up anyway. I'd be remiss to point out the rest of the indications since you're absolutely adamant that they're meaningless. Actually, yes, it does, because both are a similar type of character. Then he sprang to a series of other sites that ultimately carried him to the wall of the principal building, moving with such speed the entire time that whatever holorecordings were being made wouldn't show him unless they were played in slow motion. In Legends canon, we have Obi-Wan and Luke deflecting blaster bolts from hundreds/thousands of shooters simultaneously, the feats for Maul you've already seen, Quinlan Vos and Aayla Secura moving as a blur in the view of a Clone Trooper, Darth Plagueis and Darth Venamis lighting an entire forest up like lightning while dueling, Revan and Vitiate carrying out an extensive duel in seconds, Kyle Katarn and others dueling with Caedus in a matter of seconds.. and the list goes on. I'm not saying Maul moved faster than light and thus wasn't even captured by the recording. Des Weiteren hatte er die Fähigkeit, die Macht aus allen Wesen oder Gegenständen zu absorbieren, was dazu führte, dass er nicht nur Lebewesen, sondern ganze Planeten ihrer Kraft beraubte oder zerstörte. I can't put it more simply than this: Maul moved too fast for the holorecording to capture and display unless it was put into slow motion. I said it was only partially due to power levels, but since Nihilus is vastly more powerful than Maul, then it's reasonable to submit that Nihilus could react. In his mind, the duel was all but over— his opponent was now dragging out the inevitable moment of defeat in a series of small humiliations. I'm going to take your simplification of this matter as your inability to refute my points. Concept designs, and ideas that they tossed out are one thing, a cut-content that was fully voiced is completely different as that was just not put in because of time restraints. You are trying to say the camera did not catch him, which is an out right lie. Maul leaped aside, moving faster than the droid's photoreceptor could follow. Aus dem Shop ARTSABERS . I'll need to re-read it to confirm this. You can see he drained her as she couldn't even call her lightsaber to her and was unable to defend herself from Sion, when she gets her power back thanks to her bond with Meetra, she easily puts Sion in his place. I said that because they were fighting characters with knowledge of each other's forms makes it analogous to fighting a doppelganger. Re: Darth Nihilus vs Darth Tenebrous. Nihilus stomps almost anyone in terms of Force, since he can drain entire planets. Nihilius 6/10. You take high end showings and his low end (TCW/TPM) and then try to find the middle ground. However, Traya reciprocates his betrayal by luring him into a confrontation with the Jedi Exile and Nihilus's own former apprentice. @wut: That was with the help of Sion however and Nihilus demonstrated his ability to do this after Traya had been beaten. Then there's the fact the SWTOR:E has Darth Nihilus below all of the Dark Lords in the Valley on Korriban. Pure and simple. Nihilus was weakened by trying to drain Meetra. on December 23rd 2020, 10:51 am. Community. What I'm saying is, however powerful Meetra is is irrelevant to how fast she is. Sion war u… Kill her now. Darth Maul vs Obi-Wan | Star Wars Rebels | Disney XD - Duration: 3:00. Psychically starved by the effort, the Dark Lord falls to the Jedi, and Nihilus the man dissolves into oblivion. Alek wurde im Dorf Squinquargesimus auf Quelii im Äußeren Rand geboren, einem Planeten, dessen Bewohner auf Nachnamen verzichteten. Public Figure. Sale-Preis 475,15 € 475,15 € 559,00 € Ursprünglicher Preis 559,00 € –(15 %) KOSTENLOSER Versand Favorisieren Hinzufügen Darth Nihilus Maske aus Star Wars von … Jedes andere, sogar jedes machtfähige Lebewesen mit ähnlichem Körperbau, würde bei diesen Verletzungen dem Tod erliegen. And Artagan Truax toward the ceiling but regained control before impact and flew back toward the ceiling but control... 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